KEI Researchable Spell?

[Peppwyl]

I've heard from a few people that you could now research all or most of the hight lvl spells in the game. I was wondering if there was any merit to these claims or not. If this is true, would anyone be able to post recipes for these spells (esp KEI).
I wasn't able to find any info on this anywhere else, so I thought I'd post here.

Thank you for your Time.

Peppwyl
Lvl 59 Erudite Enchanter

[Delfontes]

edit:

Just seems silly to have an uninformed response up here ;)

Suffice it to say my research needs some work.

[Goresmash]

Yes KEI is now researchable. Bought a set of the recipe books last night for a guildmate of mine and it was in them. Can not recall what the recipe is though. However from looking through the Necromancer books I know that pretty well all of the drop only necro spells can now be researched so I suspect it is the same for Enchanters.

[Prexis]

There is a researcher and his assistant now in the gulf of gunthak. You can get there by clicking on the boat at the docks in stonebrunt mountains.

The researcher will give you a new research book to combine with if you ask, and both he and his assistant sell books with the recipes for the spells.

[sir0die]

ok, got a thought.

IF Kei does become researchable, and the components aren't ultra rare, would you still donate the same amount for kei as you do now?

up till now, every chanter that want you to donate for kei, has used the theory that the spell cost them 70+ kp.

if it's researchable, the cost is probably gonna be a crapload lower than 70k.

of course the first few to research it are going to try and sell the spell for 70+kp, but as more folks research it, and almost everyone capable of casting it will have it scribed in their spell book, will you still donate the same amount you donate now?



on a side note, what is your stand amount of plat you donate for kei?

I normally donate 50p if my bankaccount has more than 500p in it.

[Chaid]

up till now, every chanter that want you to donate for kei, has used the theory that the spell cost them 70+ kp.
That was true a year ago when the spell was ultra rare. Nowadays it can be obtained easily for under 10k.

[Goresmash]

I don't mind paying 50plat for a KEI since I base the value of it on how much XP I can grind through before it wears off. Not by how much the chanter had to pay for the spell.

[Delfontes]

I don't mind paying 50plat for a KEI since I base the value of it on how much XP I can grind through before it wears off. Not by how much the chanter had to pay for the spell.

Same, and not to mention the bigger mobs you can solo, and extra cash you can make off it... it more than pays for itself.

I paid 100pp for it when that was the going rate, then 50, now usually 25pp. Haven't had any complaints about skimpy donations, so I assume most are down to therabouts in donations.

[Gnastassja]

I always donate 100p for KEI since the only time I ask for it is when I need to make some fast exp (to catch up to EQ hunting partners who level faster than I because I'm off working on tradeskills or not in game as much as they are able to play). It's a mana-intensive cast and time consuming for the enchanter who could be out hunting instead so I dont mind paying the price when I feel I really need the added boost (I just dont need it very often a that price! :D) Besides, as a former enchanter on another server I know the expense of Jewelcraft so I was always broke between that and peridots for survival in the day. I have to agree that with it's longevity and stat-boost one can easily recoup the plats *and* double their exp earnings with a KEI so what the heck. 8)

The lowest I've seen the spell sell for on the FV server is 20kp and that was only one time. It's still up there around double that from most PC vendors. I cant imagine the components will be all that common when you consider the mobs an entire raiding party must tackle in order to loot the actual scroll but who knows. I think it's neat that the spells can be researched now. I gotta find that recipe book for my wizard spells!

[Calabar]

What I pay depends on whom I’m playing and what I’m hunting. For some reason I’ve never been very good at earning money. I was in a small guild that rarely grouped and never raided. And the mobs I tend to solo rarely dropped much in the way of loot. So when I thought enchanters expected 100pp for the spell I never used it.

Then a guild mate told me she always donated for it before heading to Jaggedpine. She said she donated 30pp and nobody ever complained. So I started doing the same with my druid. When I started playing my level 19 shaman again I donated 10pp, which was more than I could get in loot before the spell ran out. Then I started making about 15pp so I started donating 15pp. Now my shaman is hunting in Eastern Wastes and can afford a little more.

From what I hear, many enchanters are happy to get any donation at all. It seems a large percentage of players just don’t donate. I may not donate a lot, but I’d never take the spell if I couldn’t donate anything. I guess we each have our own standards. But then many of the shouts do say that donations are welcome but not required. *shrugs*

What I’ve found interesting of late are the different ways enchanters have been advertising on my server. One guy had added to his shout that if you died before the spell expired he’d refresh it for free. And someone yesterday said that if you weren’t anon or in role-play mode and below 20th level the spell was free. With all the competition I see, I assume the enchanters must be getting something out of hocking their KEI. I just hope they continue to do so. Though I know many people think it’s ruined the game, I find the game a lot more enjoyable when I don’t have to set as long. I can play my casters without KEI, but I’d rather have it. Just as I could take the ship from Butterblock mountains to Freeport, but I’d rather use the port books.

[Kaylya]

If people in general stopped donating, or slashed their donations to under 5p, I would rarely cast it on people. I certainly wouldn't sit in the nexus casting it (although I could see one shout as I passed through).

Seriously, on my server, people start going crazy if there ISN"T someone in the Nexus casting KEI.

It's a supply and demand thing. If people don't pay, the supply will dry up.

[sir0die]

i have friends that run enchanters, there have been many time i'll log on, get kei for free from him, then hunt all night long, go back top nexus and get kei from him again, so the whole time i've been hunting, he's been KEI'ing, he's made about 8k plat, i've made maybe 1k (if i hunt rathe mountains) and maybe 5% xp.

[Sethlic]

hmm I have been giving 25 pp and most enchanter are happy with that.
I tend to come back 3 or 4 times a day depending on deaths so they know me and I guess business is good. Every Enchanter I see that is level 60 has KEI so it is not rare at all. And yes I will keep donating the PP its well worth it wether I'm tradeskilling or Exping.

[Eumerin]

The price probably won't come down because players are willing to donate less. Instead, the price might come down because enchanters suggest less of a donation (some still do). Currently, there are generally at most three chanters in the Nexus on my server casting KEI. If that number suddenly shot up to 20, it might make for some interesting /shouts.

[Delfontes]

On Brell the most interesting shouts are when no enchanters happen to be in Nexus...

Looks like a bunch of addicts starting to get the shakes...

;)

/ooc Anyone selling KEI?
/ooc WTB C3 please
/ooc Anyone selling C3???????????????

Gets pretty desparate after that, hehe

[Kytelae]

No kidding! I pay 100 pp and I'll keep paying whatever it takes to keep them offering!

[Gnastassja]

he's been KEI'ing, he's made about 8k plat, i've made maybe 1k (if i hunt rathe mountains) and maybe 5% xp.

I guess it helps to be a wizard... ;)

[Adeiro]

There isn't really a set amount that i expect when casting C. Whatever they feel like donating they donate. I've got donations as low as 5p and as much as 150pp it just really depends on how valuable you think your time is in medding vs xp-ing. If it wasn't profitable to cast C and i could earn more hunting xping - i would stop casting as well.

Adeiro Pneumonic
The Tribunal
Grand Master Jewelier

[OberonMiM]

if only people wanted to donate so much plat for virtue. I constnatly get noobies wanting to donate 5 or 10 plat for a virtue (even though i have hand of virtue casting the group one would cost me 21 plat in dots and half my mana pool)

chanters have it easy with such a low mana spell

[Peppwyl]

I'm not too worried about sitting in the nexus casting KEI for cash, I'd much rather be out there killing stuff and seeing new places. Because of my lack of patience, i have not been able to save up much cash playing EQ (I had a few cloth pieces of armor till I was 49). the KEI scroll goes for about 35-40K on the Tarew Marr Server, it always has, and I think it always will untill people start researching it.
I guess I'll have to make a trip to the new zones and look for the researcher and his assistant.

Thanks for your Help

Peppwyl
Lvl 59 Erudite Enchanter

[Kaysha Soulsinger]

Yup, Oberan, I've noticed the same.

Someone_01 auctions, 'WTB KEI, offering 100pp!'
Someone_01 says, out of character, 'Anyone doing Virtue/Aego? Have a peri'

Somehow people are more than willing to pay up to 100pp for a KEI, which lasts 2h30m, but Aego/Virtue is at best compensated with a peridot while that too lasts 2h30m. Times I stated exclude AA skills and Focus effects that increase duration.

As for Lanys, currently KEI scrolls seem to move for about 30-40k each. I guess the price will drop soon when more ways are found to get the scroll.

[PinyonTreedotter]

This goes for 20-25Kpp on the Luclin server, but I was able to get mine for 15kpp by being patient. It is used by enchanters until lvl 63, when C4 becomes available (which lasts about half the time). The mana cost of 900 should be about 1/4 of the mana pool (+/-) for a lvl 60 enchanter with decent armor.

Why would you NOT pay a decent amount for clarity? Not to recoup the spell costs, but because it helps you to get experience, loot, or increase your tradeskills. When I can't afford it, I don't buy it (I don't often get it, but pay 50pp or so when I do). I'm sure your fishing skill needs improvement while you med. And you know I'll be there if some nice enchanter announces they are casting an area KEI.

[Araon]

If people pay only small amounts, or nothing at all, then no one is going to be offering KEI - simple as that.

Level 60 chanters will still be buying, or now researching, the spell but I am sure they can find better things to do with their time than sitting around Nexus or PoK for hours at a time and getting peanuts in return.

[Marteeny]

Somehow people are more than willing to pay up to 100pp for a KEI, which lasts 2h30m, but Aego/Virtue is at best compensated with a peridot while that too lasts 2h30m.

On Vazaelle, I regularily see shouts with people offering PotG or Aego for 50-75pp, and people line up for them.

Is it that they can't sell it or don't really give it a chance?


That was true a year ago when the spell was ultra rare. Nowadays it can be obtained easily for under 10k. This may be the case on your server, but remember that all servers will vary. I have never seen KEI for less than 20k and it is usually closer to 30k. And being a 45 Enchanter, I always check to see if any are for sale.

[Cubwynn]

I'm not to KEI level yet (soon!), but I don't really expect to ever sit in the Nexus and vendor it... I buff people that I know, people who are polite, and people that don't shove plat in my face without so much as a hail. I also buff people at random when the mood strikes me. For the most part, I ignore /shout and /ooc for spells, etc.

but then again, that's just me.


Thank goodness for researchability, though!!!!

*finally feels proud of all that time and energy spent scouring for research pages*

[Delfontes]

There is a major difference between Ageo and C3 though.

With Ageo my monk has more hitpoints, but if something is beating the snot out of me... it just takes longer to kill me, and many more bandages between fights.

It really doesn't dramatically affect what Mobs I can solo, and in a group it only mildly saves the cleric/priest class mana and doesn't dramatically change the group dynamic.

C3... well, it makes my wizard, who is lower level than my monk, able to kill things twice as fast as without, and twice as safe because if he for some reason goes oom he can park it for a few tics and cast again.

In a group a Cleric with C3 can basically stay FM with people chain pulling, and no med breaks are required, while my wizard can put so many nukes out that his DPS is higher than the rest of the group added up. (though honestly I seldom find a group with C3... seems a waste when solo exp is faster).

So naturally people are more willing to pay for C3, because melee aren't as addicted to Ageo.

[Calabar]

I must admit to being highly amused the few times I’ve sat in the Nexus waiting for someone to offer KEI. I’ve never once had to shout for it. I usually zone into the Nexus and wait for a minute or less and someone offers it for donations. But every once in a while there’s nobody casting it and the players start to get frantic. To their credit, someone always seems to start having fun with it in chat and inevitably several others join in. It’s the closest I’ve seen most people come to role-playing. The first time I saw this happen someone finally did offer KEI and the poor guy was swarmed by half the Nexus population. I started to feel sorry for him, until I thought of all the money he’d be raking in. Still, it was amusing to watch. It reminded me of spending summers on my grandparent’s farm and tossing out grain to the chickens.

[Stewwy]

All this talk of KEI being sold for 10-15k just makes me shake my head. Lowest I have seen it on Xegony in the last year was the 40k I saw it for the other night. The other two scroll being sold were listed at 55 and 59k.

The KEI scroll is NOT cheap on Xegony, but I am sure the market is going to drop out VERY soon. =)

Just as important to me is Speed of the Brood, but that is another story. :)

[Gelaan]

This may be the case on your server, but remember that all servers will vary. I have never seen KEI for less than 20k

I've seen it for as low as 14k on Vaz, but it is usually in the price range you mention. I paid nothing at all for mine, as I was there when it dropped.

[Nadina]

I don't have a set amount I charge for kei if someone asks for it, in fact I almost always decline payment unless I am hurting for plat at the time.

If I am very low on plat I will sit in Nexus or baz and say I'm casting for donations,but I never specify a set amount, if someone gives me 5 plat I smile and say thank you, if they give me 100 plat I smile and say thank you :)

Innoruuk server, btw ;)

[Zyrtryx Conjureblade]

I've actually had KEI cast on me for free more times than I've paid for it. (One Gnome Enchanter cast KEI on me after I did some business buying some tinkered items from them in the Bazaar, for instance)

But....depending on how much plat I have, I usually donate between 50 and 100pp.

[Akhenahten]

KEI casters on Prexus typically say open trade window for invite. Lowest Ive donated for the buff is 13p. Just didn't have anymore money on my Necro. My typical donation is about 35p. I have no trouble getting KEI and I've never been told I'm not donating enough. I know those who have though. Typically I would think about 10p is the low end for most of the commercial casters on Prexus.

[Jianna]

I have never seen the KEI scroll for sale on Xegony for less than 50kpp. I was wondering how I was ever going to afford it. Now it's just a matter of getting the research pages. So I wonder if folks are going to start charging 10kpp per half page...

[K.Rool]

The donations for KEI come not from it's price, but from the value in exp you can get from it soloing or duoing, since it hold 2 1/2 hours unfocused.
Some Enchanters, me among them, like to have KEIs duration lowered to that of Tranquility and Voice of Quellios, which is 1 hour, 20 minutes, so the begging and soloing with it stops a bit.
I mean, people think they are really CRIPPLED when they get C2+GoB from me instead of KEI in my groups, althought it is only 1 mana per tick less, thats 10 per whole minute, aka unnoticable by human eye. Why? Because they are so crap used to this spell from soloing, they think all an Enchanter can do is cast KEI. Enough people don't even know that the later versions are better in term in mana regen - they are not used for soloing, so they are not interested in ít...


Sad, sad but true...

[Raiyaeq]

I sold a KEI scroll just few days ago for 12k. Why so cheap? Because I know soon it'll be researchable as ppl finding the components. It took almost no effort to get the scroll that we got as we were killing some mobs that's needed for quest. They aren't named or anything, just those random guards.

[gnormy]

I'm glad that KEI will be researchable, but I'm also in group that is looking for a nerf on it. Make its recast time 15 or 30 minutes. Its a group spell that lasts for a LONG time.

For what its worth, you can really generate some excitement by offering to donate for a MASS KEI. :) Haven't found any takers yet despite my 500p offer.

[farghen]

> I'm glad that KEI will be researchable, but I'm also in group that is
> looking for a nerf on it. Make its recast time 15 or 30 minutes. Its a
> group spell that lasts for a LONG time.

Gotta disagree with that. Cast on group, cleric dies on first pull, then have to wait to recast kei? no thanks. Also keep in mind that long recast = long mem-time. You'd have to mem the spell 15 or 30 minutes before it wears off.

I'm low enough on spell slots as it is.

[Jianna]

Well, I was right. Spell still sells for 50kpp on Xegony and people are asking 3kpp for Yaeth's Compendium pages. Now that's an expensive failure!