!@#$%$#@! Low Sellers!!

[Renjah]

On Veeshan Drops of Pure Rain sell for 1.5k-2.5kish. Yet some guy has a Storm Riders Tunic for 7k... 3 to be exact. Since each tunic required 5 studs which needs roughly 10ish drops of pure rain with a 50% success rate on final combine this guy would have made MORE money selling the drops of pure rain and NOT combining to tunics. Unless he/she got lucky and went 3 for 3 they lost money by not selling the drops outright. Why must ppl ruin the market on items. BLAH!


EDIT: 2 sold in a matter of 3 hours. I guess maybe they will jack up the price next batch....

[ColdHeart]

Ruined the market?
Not sure it has been ruined, people who want to make the armour but don't have BoT access will still need to buy them. Also once those 3 are sold, how long before he can make more?

Maybe they are like me, make things for the sake of making them. Then they sell them for a price they think if cheap. They should not have to sell the drops just because they'd make more money that way.

[kiztent]

After seeing umpteen million of these "ruin the market" threads I've decoded what ruining a market is.

"Someone with more time and/or resources than me is cutting into my previously hefty profit margins. **** them."

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

Can we make a dead horse forum?

This dance has be done so many time that I think angelsyn and I wore groves on the floor on the old MB.

1) What it cost you to make is not what it costs someone else to make.

2) Plat is not the end all/be all to many.

3) No where in the EULA is any statement that you have a right to make plat.

4) Compare prices on simular items, and see where it works out at, on TP you can get equivent, or near tunics for about that much or near.


Dai

[Katalaeia]

If he looted all the rain himself he wouldn't have to base his pricing on the price of rain, because to him it was free. Gotta take that into account, too.

[Sulkano]

I agree that we need to start a 'Dead Horse Forum'...old, old, old

[Thicket Tundrabog]

It depends on how you look at it.

Maybe the 7k seller of tunics has the fair price. Maybe the sellers of drops of pure rain for 1.5 - 2.5k are greedy, rip-off artists.

I agree that this topic is a dead horse that went to the glue factory a long time ago. BTW, the price of horse glue on Povar is much too low. I have to farm 10 horses for every 100pp worth of glue. Hehe.

Thicket

[Renjah]

The price of pure rain has stayed fairly constant at 2k each since its used in the first step of aid grimel. If 2k is over priced everyone on Veeshan has been over charging for a long time. I realize everyone can charge what they want, my main point was they could have made more money by selling the ingrediants. They sold all 3 within 12 hours at 7k. Heck they coudl have charged more and not ruined the market on them.

[Melinia]

At the sight of the title of this dead horse rant I couldnt help but think of a rebuttle: #$%&^ Over-pricing Sellers.
Yes, I like to make some plat but at the same time I dont want to be ripping people off. I've been making cookie cutters to bring up my mains pottery skill. I put them up for sale for 5pp each. I like to check to see what others are selling them for every once in awhile.. Ive seen them at 100pp each! give me a break! It only takes a few plat to make them without having them as trivial! (also seen as low as 6gp each).
At the end of the day.. Everyone will price items to what ever they see fit. Yes, thiers may sell quicker than yours.. but it will be one less competitor once they are "sold-out". Heck.. maybe they are only in trader while doing the dishes so they will not be a competitor for long.
Remember: IT IS ONLY A GAME!

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

Heck they coudl have charged more and not ruined the market on them.

A) Why would I want to sell components, about the only time I every have has been for cutural stuff that is not Iksar or DE (and some eurdite tailoring) and I low ball those, otherwise I want to use it to make stuff. I would not hunt in BoT, I would not drag friends in to BoT (If they would still remain my friends for asking) for Phat Bazaar Plat, Ldon is more fun, PoE/PoF has richer drops.

B) The list of tae shields, tae 2 handrs, Nightterror plate, Hurricane plate and chain and given away, not too un often, to utter strangers, usually the true newb that does not have a firm idea about the class is not small.

C) All that is needed to get into BoT is levels, which is easier then ever, getting in to BoT is so rediculous easy then when I first did it, I remember if you saw 2 groups there it was getting crowded, people had not got the flags.

D) What right to you have to dictate to me how I enjoy a game, just so things are more fun to you, every item you try and price fix will effect at least as mainy people as what I sell when I sell. what is a benefit, what is a deficet is all detrermain by point of view.

E) my cleric twink has roughly 350-500k worth of gear on him, my ranger is only around 60k, but is only 43, so there has not been much issue getting gear as far as price. My main has gear roughly totally 10k mainly weight reduction bags, everything else is no drop.

Guess what max plat on an item I farmed is not the prime concern to me, max plat is rarely an issue. I just ask to be rewarded something in balance to my time.

E) Component prices will drop as the main use for the item becomes more saturated. Tae ew blood used to be 3-4k on TP, back when shields marketed at 12-20k Now shields are down to 2500pp, and blood is 1k-1500pp.

Again you have levels, you have friends you farm Dulak and CT ZI, cost to make a shield is nil.

F) Some people do trades for love of making things, not love of plat, I will make plat off other things. This is harder on a cleric or a warrior, to earn plat, as those classes are raid designed rather then solo designed, then again the author of the thread is a druid, a class that has been known to be able to solo/farm.


The market is not ruined, you just can not compeat.

Dai

[Tudamorf]

Originally posted by Daikoku Ashikaga
What right to you have to dictate to me how I enjoy a game

It's a concept known as courtesy. The game does not revolve around you (even though you may think otherwise). Your actions have consequences that affect other people. When your enjoyment of the game harms other people, you should consider whether, as a matter of courtesy, it is right to continue that play style.

[kiztent]

Originally posted by Tudamorf
It's a concept known as courtesy. The game does not revolve around you (even though you may think otherwise). Your actions have consequences that affect other people. When your enjoyment of the game harms other people, you should consider whether, as a matter of courtesy, it is right to continue that play style.

The same can be said about everyone who ever started a thread on ruining markets. What right do they have to come here and start in on baby eating ubers with different time priorities, resources and time in game trashing the markets they were making a healthy profit on?

I'm not going to comment on who's right or wrong, but it cuts both ways.

[Renjah]

Look my main point was not that they under cut the market. Heck Ive been known to lower my goods by a few plat to get the lowest price on trader. They cut the price by 10k of another vendor. From 17.5k to 7k is a big cut. They went so low that it would have been more profitable to just sell the goods and not make the combines. I feel its well within my rights to vent my frustrations in PRIMAL SCREAM. However thanks for all the insults basically calling me a jerk for thinking this person was doing wrong. Good posts fun to read I feel anyone can set prices as they wish. Why not make 12 stonehide tunics and sell for 20k each. I wouldnt mind its well within their rights. But will I come scream about how the market is getting ruined on them... probably

[Sylphan]

In this case there may be a better explanation.

On my server drops of pure rain are usually 1k. Personally I wait til they're cheaper than that, but that's the normal rate and has been for many months. Tae Ew Chainmail is very good and has pushed the price of Hurricane Chainmail down under 10k. Maybe the person making the leather tunics thought they should be priced similar to chain tunics, or checked prices on other servers (or is from a different server).

Another possibility is that he's used to losing money. I've often seen Solstice robes, sickles, arctic wyvern hide caps, ribbons, and other items selling for less than the cost of ingredients. Why should this be any different?

And finally, maybe he meant to type in four zeros but only typed in three.

[Daikoku Ashikaga]

Or you are just ranting ovetr a typo, I bought some earring for 7k once in the bazaar, got a nasty gram from the person I bought it from saying it should have been 17k, not 7k, you may have a upset vendor when he gets home from work, this appears to be the first time this price was seen, typos happen, do not need to rail against them as they are the end of the earth.


Dai